Frame Drummer & Independent Researcher
Krista Holland
Learn to play the frame drum as a contemplative and ritual practice, by immersing yourself in its techniques and ancient cross-cultural history — to experience greater wellbeing and a deep sense of belonging and connection to the rhythms within you, in nature, and in the cosmos.
Why is the rhythm of the heartbeat so mesmerizing?
Every human gestates to the sound and rhythm of their mother’s heartbeat while in utero. And, for many, hearing and feeling the sound of a heartbeat whenever it shows up in our lives pulls us (unconsciously) into a remembrance of that original somatic rhythm.
It’s the universal experience of the original heartbeat that’s part of the symphony of life in which we all play.
That’s one reason so many people feel a strong attraction to drumming.
Hand drumming is a global and cross-cultural artform... much like dance in its universality.
The frame drum is an archetypal idea that shows up again and again over thousands of years and across continents...
... not only because of the music it makes, but also as a tool to heal mind, body, and spirit, expand our consciousness, and cultivate wellbeing. The sacred frame drum is one of the world’s oldest, simplest, and most powerful instruments.
Join an inward-looking 7-module frame-drumming course with teacher, frame drummer, and independent researcher Krista Holland, as she guides you on a journey — learning to play the frame drum while you also explore about its deep history within the Middle East, across North Africa and the Mediterranean, throughout countries of Europe, Scandinavia, Asia Minor, India, and the Americas...
... and how the frame drum is now found globally within diverse cultures.
The frame drum is a wonderful complimentary wellness tool that can help address an array of modern challenges that can put you in a state of disharmony — and it gives you a profound sense of connection and belonging to a universal heritage and human birthright of drumming for harmony and wellbeing.
It also evokes inspiration, boosts brain cognition, relieves stress, and can help unlock your creativity.
You don’t need any musical experience to access this instrument for personal healing, community ritual, and celebration... and, as you’ll discover, it’s just plain fun.
Note: Any frame drum will work for this course! If you’re new to drumming and would like to purchase one, Krista recommends getting started with a 14” or 16” “Tar” style frame drum.
Technique, Elements, Mythos & Meaning
Drum rhythms can entrain hearts and transform consciousness into mythic, spacious awareness — filling life with sonic reverberations that honor the celestial rhythms... natural seasons... and stages of birth, growth, fruition, dissolution, death, and rebirth — all vibrating through the infinite spirals of time.
When you play — or begin to play — the frame drum, you’ll be embarking on a spiritual practice and a journey — traveled by many mystics, seekers, and devotees of the sacred before you — that may even awaken states of ecstatic trance and spontaneous revelry...
... the kind that comes with being in sync with life’s underlying and overarching primal rhythms.
And when you play the frame drum with Krista’s guidance in the context of sacred practice, you’ll discover a meditative and musical experience rich in potential for personal meaning and connection, steeped in feminine power, lush in historical and mythological reference.
Throughout this program, Krista will teach you basic drumming strokes, including those connected to the five universal elements of earth, water, fire, air, and space.
These healing rhythms can help you access your true essence and tap into a meditative practice and contemplative reset whenever you need it.
As this drumming journey unfolds, you’ll:
- Learn the foundations of playing the frame drum
- Work with the calming, healing rhythms and fascinating ancient history of the sacred drum to unlock a sense of belonging, harmony, and possibility in your life
- Explore a rhythmic connection to your ancestry and heritage
- Set the groundwork for establishing a lifelong frame-drumming practice
- Remember your original somatic rhythm — the universal experience of the original heartbeat — and how it’s part of the symphony of life we’re all part of
- Journey through the ancestry, myth, ritual, and history of the ancient frame drum
- Practice unique drumming strokes associated with each of nature’s elements
- Explore how drumming can help you optimize flow states of consciousness — to shift outmoded thought patterns and clear and focus your mind
- Discover drumming practices to help illuminate new neural pathways to enhance cognition and brain function
- Be exposed to the mythology associated with the frame drum
- Learn techniques for mood regulation and stress reduction through breathing and drumming
- Create simple personal and community rituals using the frame drum
- Receive insights and instruction on how to create your own compositions and personal rhythms
You’ll also explore the myths and archetypes connected to the ancient priestesses and mystery schools that used the sacred drum in their rituals, celebrations, and ceremonies across the Mediterranean, through the Middle East, and eventually in other areas around the globe.
As a process of self-discovery, playing the drum will help you tap into your unique mythos (your own one-of-a-kind origin story) as you cut through your surface thoughts and mental chatter.
Join us to discover a universal remembrance of how connected we truly are through life’s rhythms — and how drumming is part of the collective human story that can lead to greater balance and an experience of belonging.
What You’ll Discover in These 7 Modules
In this 7-part transformational intensive, Krista will guide you through the fundamental skills you’ll need to learn to play the frame drum and benefit from the healing powers and deep sense of belonging and connection it provides.
This course will feature step-by-step teachings and experiential practices with Krista Holland. Each session will build harmoniously upon the previous ones, so you’ll develop a complete holistic understanding of the practices, tools, and principles you’ll need to play the frame drum as a contemplative and ritual practice — immersing yourself in techniques and the sacred drum’s beautiful musicality, resonance, and vibrations.
Module 1: Setting the Foundation — Honoring the Earth, the Sacred Drum & the Ancestors
In this opening module, you’ll embark on an incredible journey into the mythos and art of frame drumming. Krista will guide you back through mythical time to the most ancient emergence of human musical expression — the spontaneous discovery of rhythm and drumming.
She’ll share the first known images of the frame drum and the ancient mythologies connected to the sacred drum from a surprisingly broad array of cultures.
You’ll delve into the myths and lore associated with the frame drum’s prominent role in seasonal rituals, community celebrations, rites of passage, initiations... and how it was used in the ecstatic trance-based mystery schools of the ancient world.
And, you’ll learn why drumming has been such a widespread human endeavor, and why frame drumming, in particular, is considered a worldwide cross-cultural phenomenon.
In this first session, you’ll:
- Learn the foundations of playing the frame drum
- Reconnect your awareness to the natural rhythms within you and nature
- Learn how, from the biological rhythms of the human body to the macro rhythms of the cosmos, you’re woven into a web of rhythmic connections
- Set an intention you can return to again and again for inspiration on your drumming path
- Set the groundwork for establishing a lifelong frame-drumming practice by knowing and honoring the ancestral origins and historical roots
- Practice the Earth Stroke on your drum and explore ways to use your connection to the earth element in your drumming practice
Module 2: Entering the Flow States of Consciousness — Drumming to Cleanse & Refresh Your Mind
Rhythmic drumming is a technology for transforming consciousness, which is why many cross-cultural traditions use the drum in their ecstatic rituals, trance ceremonies, and healing practices.
Hand drumming is a global and cross-cultural artform much like dance in its universality, and it’s been reemerging and again, becoming a widespread phenomenon.
In this session, you’ll come to understand why more and more people worldwide are interested in exploring the potential of drumming for personal transformation, musicality, community, cross-cultural connections, brain optimization, flow states of consciousness, sacred practice, and pure fun!
You’ll also:
- Explore ways to optimize flow states of consciousness, to shift outmoded thought patterns — and clear and focus your mind
- Discover how relaxation can facilitate your learning and frame-drum practice sessions
- Practice traditional trance rhythms and simple drumming techniques for getting into the rhythmic zone
- Practice the Water Stroke and access easy ways to use your connection to the water element in your drumming practice
Module 3: Igniting Passion & Devotion for Your Frame-Drumming Practice
All over the world, diverse cultural myths describe the illumination of human potential as a process of lighting the fire of our devotion — using singing, dancing, drumming, and praying to enact their adoration and awaken transformation.
The frame drum’s musical range is as broad and diverse as the many cultures who play it, and it holds within it the remembrance of a strong ancestral heritage, history, and lore.
In this module, you’ll learn the many reasons the frame drum has been so widespread, and why it’s resurfaced again and again throughout time to enhance lives around the globe.
Connecting with the powerful lineage of frame drummers will provide you with fuel to sustain a vibrant frame-drumming practice.
In this module, you’ll:
- Discover how igniting a passion for your drumming practice can help spark the creative fire in all areas of your life
- Learn about the use of the frame drum in the trance-based mystery schools and devotional sects of the ancient world
- Explore practices to help illuminate new neural pathways to enhance cognition and brain function
- Deepen your understanding of the many reasons to play the drum — and leverage your personal “why” to create a vibrant and sustainable drumming practice
Module 4: Breathing Life Into Your Practice — Drumming to Soothe Your Nervous System & Recalibrate Your Emotions
We are rhythmic beings immersed in a world of interwoven rhythms. From the synchronization of mother and baby’s heartbeats... to the vital exchange of two lovers’ breaths... to the moon’s waxing and waning... we’re all woven into a symphony of rhythms.
Today, people worldwide are beginning to understand what the Indigenous peoples of many cultures have long known – — drumming is a powerful technology for transforming consciousness and honoring life’s small and large moments.
And, as more and more people are looking for natural ways to return to balance at this turbulent time, drumming is being recognized as a potent instrument for health, connection, and timeless wellbeing.
The power of drumming can also help breathe fresh awareness and vitality into your understanding and recognition of life’s biological and cosmological rhythms.
When you begin to honor life’s inherent tempo and the multitude of nature’s intelligent pacing, you can learn to relax into the Great Rhythm of All Things.
In this session, Krista will:
- Teach you techniques for mood regulation and stress reduction through breathing and drumming
- Share tales of the World Tree and the sacred drum from around the world
- Show you how to create simple personal and community rituals using the frame drum
- Guide you as you breathe new life into an existing meditation practice
- Teach you a brand-new practice
Module 5: Cultivating Spacious Silence — Attuning to the Potent Space Between the Beats
In a world that’s often clamorous with a cacophony of sonic impressions and an overabundance of discordant soundscapes, the frame drum is an instrument that many find incredibly relaxing and soothing.
One of the many things that makes the frame drum unique is that it can be played both softly, quietly, and meditatively, and with the power and vitality to get people moving, dancing, and even trancing.
In this module, you’ll:
- Understand the power and potency of allowing for space and rest in your frame-drumming practice
- Discover ways to quiet the mind to better hear the silence
- Practice using the drum for awakening meditative states of awareness
- Experience states of focused attention and inner quietude through rhythmic drumming and resting
Module 6: Alchemical Drumming — Balancing the Elements for a Rhythmically Harmonious & Sonorous Life
When you work with the elements of life as you intentionally make rhythm, you create a satisfying and beautiful blend that’s grounding, flowing, inspiring, spacious, and simply powerful.
Alchemical drumming connects you to your unique present-day rhythms and offers you deep and lasting connection to a primordial past and primordial people.
These rhythmical threads weave across our global, cross-cultural, ancestral lineage... back to the very first peoples who drummed and danced in devotional rapture, ritual, and celebration.
In this session, Krista will guide you to:
- Play your drum alchemically, by bringing in your own creative ideas and inspirations
- Practice rhythm compositions that incorporate all the drum elements
- Explore a variety of tonalities on your frame drum to enhance your frame-drumming practice
- Experience how changing volume, tempo, and time signatures affects your drumming and mood
Module 7: The Journey Home — Traveling Home to Your Original Rhythm, Unique Mythos & Relational Connections
One reason so many of us feel such a strong attraction to drumming is that we each gestate to the sound and rhythm of our mother’s heartbeat and blood flow while in utero.
Drumming can help you return to a primal sense of belonging and connection, and remind you that you can return to the heart of life again and again — that home truly is always where the heart is.
In this final session, you’ll review the many ways the frame drum sits uniquely poised as a sacred tool for celebrating life’s natural seasons, stages, ages, and cycles. Most importantly, it’s a universal instrument that vibrates with meaning and fosters profound connections.
To close this course, you’ll:
- Learn an original frame-drumming composition using all the techniques you practiced over the 7 sessions
- Receive insights and instruction on how to begin to create your own compositions and personal rhythms
- Cultivate ideas on how to continue to develop and expand your frame-drumming practice
- Discover how to use drumming for personal and community connection
The Sacred Frame Drum Bonus Collection
In addition to Krista’s transformative 7-module virtual course, you’ll receive these special bonuses with leading visionaries and teachers to complement the course and take your understanding and practice to an even deeper level.
Mythic Rhythm Practice
Audio Package of Play-Along Tracks With PDF Companions
This package offers you downloadable MP3 files with eight play-along tracks of traditional rhythms from Ireland and the Middle East. Each of these rhythms was passed down to Krista from her teachers... and her teachers’ teachers. Yours to keep forever, you can load these tracks onto your desktop, phone, or other devices, put on your headset, and play along as a fun way to integrate and develop the drum rhythms. You’ll also receive easy-to-read notations to the rhythms. You can use this package with any drum!
Mythic Mudras & Hand-Health Exercises
Video Practice With Krista Holland
Even with all the hours many of us spend on computers these days, hand health is relatively neglected in the path toward general wellbeing. As someone who’s spent thousands of hours over two decades studying the art of yoga asana and other forms of somatic healing — and teaching these modalities to others — Krista was inspired to create this easy-to-follow and effective routine for stretching and strengthening hands and wrists. In this video, she’ll guide you through a series of exercises and mudras for hand and wrist health. And they’re yours to download and keep forever. This is great for writers, musicians, artists, and anyone else who craves hand rebalancing!
The Frame Drum as a Tool of Remembrance
Video Dialogue With Krista Holland and Miranda Rondeau
Krista recorded this interview with Miranda Rondeau — an Internationally recognized devotional singer, musician, and frame-drum artist — specifically for The Shift Network. Krista and Miranda both studied under the tutelage of Layne Redmond (author of When the Drummers Were Women ) for many years until Layne’s passing in 2014. In this interview, Miranda shares about her journey with the frame drum, and how she’s used it as a tool of remembrance to reclaim her feminine wisdom. She also talks about her experiences studying with Layne... as well as the healing power held in the frame drum and voice.
What People Are Saying About Krista Holland...
— Melissa Vanek: “I Gained a Whole New Connection, a Whole New Language”
“Krista has a transformational quality about her that touches all that she meets.”
I wholeheartedly recommend my mentor Krista Holland, as a guide for those seeking a deep dive into the divine feminine art form of sacred drumming. Krista offers an approach that is rooted in tradition with a genuine touch that is uncommon in our times. One can feel the link between the ancient presence of countless generations of women who have gathered in this way to make music together represented in the way that Krista carries the group. Krista has a transformational quality about her that touches all that she meets. If you find yourself drawn into this mandala of feminine wisdom, Krista will meet you there in the center of your own gifts, reflecting back your own inner heartbeat.
— Annie Moon
“[Krista’s] way of teaching is simple, sacred, clear, and with depth.”
I am very grateful to have met Krista Holland and taken frame drumming lessons with her live via Skype. I was thrilled to discover Krista. Her way of teaching is simple, sacred, clear, and with depth. Krista showed me how to connect to the drumming path in a very satisfying and personal way on all levels, a way I had been longing for. She has helped me develop skills and confidence to facilitate Sacred Frame Drumming circles in my community here in a remote area on the far south coast of Australia. I love this! I feel so blessed to be living with this ancient, mysterious rhythmic thread, which continues to weave and unravel its magic and beauty in and through me.
— Lynne Bowman
“Krista is a wonderful teacher, opening doorways and offering possibilities and potentialities to her students...”
Krista is a wonderful teacher, opening doorways and offering possibilities and potentialities to her students, but leaving it up to the individual to take what they want, to leave what they choose, to make their own strides and determinations. All hallmarks of a great teacher. She has been a great inspiration for me in my life and in my practice, and remains one of a few great people that I seek out to help me balance and enrich myself. I love her and recommend her to anyone seriously seeking betterment.
— Justin Murphy
“... it was here that I finally began to feel ease and joy in the journey.”
I began a journey of healing, reuniting, honoring, remembering my inner feminine prior to the sacred drumming retreat, but it was here that I finally began to feel ease and joy in the journey. My inner feminine had been shoved into the shadows and the circle of this retreat created a safe space for her to step into the light.
— Marcella Bell
“Taking sacred drumming with Krista Holland is something that truly changed my life in so many ways.”
Taking sacred drumming with Krista Holland is something that truly changed my life in so many ways. During the time I was taking this class, I was going through a lot of shifts in my life, dealing with relationships, and looking for a sense of community, a sense of sisterhood. And I found that in sacred drumming. I found a friend in the drum. I found the rhythm of my heart that I was so deeply missing and looking to connect with, and I found a sacred sisterhood. During these times, especially having a community that you can come to and fully release everything and drop into sacred rhythm is incredibly priceless. I would recommend Krista and sacred drumming a thousand times over. If you’re looking for a way to deeply connect to yourself, to sisters, to a circle, to a community, to the drum, then sacred drumming is the way to go.
— C.J. Thomas
“Krista has an amazing way of working and creating a warm and inviting space, both soft and intense as well!”
Krista creates such a beautiful space for others to learn about such an ancient and amazing tool of remembrance, connection, and creation. She has shared her knowledge, passion, and wisdom in such a beautiful offering. Krista has an amazing way of working and creating a warm and inviting space, both soft and intense as well! You can choose your path. It reminds me of a beehive and the beautiful, nourishing love created there. Dreams are nourished in that hive, as with the frame drum. I think the drum is beneficial for everyone, and I hope that if you’re considering joining, you dive in!
— Melissa Blodgett Vanek
“Frame drumming brings me connection and inspiration.”
Frame drumming brings me connection and inspiration. The ability to make music on my own, and the stress relief, contentment, self-awareness, and lineage and spiritual teachings that Krista Holland so beautifully teaches all bring great happiness and joy.
— Courtney Cahill Stiemert
“Whether in person or online, I leave each session feeling more in my body, attuned to my heart, and connected to myself...”
Sacred drumming is such a sweet and special practice for me, and I recommend it to anyone feeling called to the drum. These classes weave in drum history, discourse on the Divine Feminine, deep self-connection, and an incredibly nourishing embodiment practice of feeling and creating rhythm... it’s just such a rich and nourishing space! Whether in person or online, I leave each session feeling more in my body, attuned to my heart, and connected to myself and the sisters in the space. I just love it.
— Aimee Ryan
Here’s What You’ll Receive
Seven 120-Minute Class Sessions With Krista Holland
Experience a unique opportunity to be mentored by and learn from multifaceted teacher, frame drummer, and independent researcher Krista Holland — from the comfort of your own home. Each class session includes a streaming video option and guides you to discover specific skills and abilities to learn to play the frame drum as a contemplative and ritual practice — to experience healing and a deep sense of belonging to a long lineage of the life-giving feminine.
Seven PDF Transcripts of Class Sessions
In addition to the high-quality videos and MP3 audios, you’ll also receive the entire class transcription after each session is completed. You can then review, print, and highlight the most important insights and practices you were given.
Exercises and Questions for Each Lesson
Between class sessions, you’ll have the option of completing related exercises, practicing new tools, and answering questions to accelerate your learning and integrate each lesson.
The Sacred Frame Drum Bonus Collection
- Mythic Rhythm Practice
Audio Package of Play-Along Tracks With PDF Companions - Mythic Mudras & Hand-Health Exercises
Video Practice With Krista Holland - The Frame Drum as a Tool of Remembrance
Video Dialogue With Krista Holland and Miranda Rondeau
An Unprecedented Opportunity to Join the Rhythms & Myths of the Sacred Frame Drum Online Training
We feel honored that Krista Holland has chosen to partner with The Shift Network to offer this exclusive online training. This is a unique opportunity to learn from a multifaceted teacher, frame drummer, and independent researcher whose powerful insights and pioneering work are helping us heal and awaken ourselves and our world.
If you’re serious about developing a musical practice of meaning and belonging, then you owe it to yourself, your loved ones, and our world to take this one-of-a-kind training.
If you’re ready to take the next step in evolving yourself, click the register button below to reserve your space now.
Your Satisfaction Is 100% Guaranteed!
Your satisfaction is 100% guaranteed! If you don’t absolutely LOVE Rhythms & Myths of the Sacred Frame Drum — or don’t feel that it meets your needs — please submit your refund request form 2 weeks from your date of purchase and we’ll happily issue qualifying customers a refund.
More Praise for Krista Holland...
“It’s nothing short of magic...”
Krista is one of those rare magicians that can combine sacred drumming, deep knowledge of the Sacred Feminine, and equally deep knowledge of modern psychology and neuroscience with dexterity and mastery. The resulting alchemy is quite a heady mix, and a workshop with her is the equivalent of diving deep down the rabbit’s hole with Alice. It’s nothing short of magic, and staring in awe at our sacred place in the Divine Mother’s infinite loving womb!
— Raja Choudhury, speaker, filmmaker, and teacher of Awakening Your Kundalini
“Sacred drumming brought me back in touch with my original rhythm and essence...”
Sacred drumming brought me back in touch with my original rhythm and essence and I will be forever grateful for the true, clear, and loving way that Krista channeled the teachings of sacred drumming. It awakened the deep, subtle, and powerful energies of my heart!
— Demaris Wehr, author of Jung and Feminism
“Krista’s ability to demonstrate, entertain, and teach the drum without ever losing touch with the sacred, ancient roots of the practice is a true gift.”
Krista’s ability to demonstrate, entertain, and teach the drum without ever losing touch with the sacred, ancient roots of the practice is a true gift. Her class is part of the voice of the ancestress, calling us home to the powerful mystery of belonging to an endless lineage of holy women and mothers.
— Jumana Sophia, founder of Her Mystery School
“Krista’s teaching and research are at the forefront of the global interest in sacred drumming.”
Krista’s teaching and research are at the forefront of the global interest in sacred drumming. Her depth of wisdom and passion for her subject are sure to inspire those called to take up this ancient instrument for transforming consciousness and for creating greater health and wellbeing.
— David Crow, author, herbalist, educator, founder of Floracopeia Aromatic Treasures
“Krista has a transformational quality about her that touches all that she meets.”
I wholeheartedly recommend my mentor Krista Holland, as a guide for those seeking a deep dive into the divine feminine art form of sacred drumming. Krista offers an approach that is rooted in tradition with a genuine touch that is uncommon in our times. One can feel the link between the ancient presence of countless generations of women who have gathered in this way to make music together represented in the way that Krista carries the group. Krista has a transformational quality about her that touches all that she meets. If you find yourself drawn into this mandala of feminine wisdom, Krista will meet you there in the center of your own gifts, reflecting back your own inner heartbeat.
— Annie Moon
“[Krista’s] way of teaching is simple, sacred, clear, and with depth.”
I am very grateful to have met Krista Holland and taken frame drumming lessons with her live via Skype. I was thrilled to discover Krista. Her way of teaching is simple, sacred, clear, and with depth. Krista showed me how to connect to the drumming path in a very satisfying and personal way on all levels, a way I had been longing for. She has helped me develop skills and confidence to facilitate Sacred Frame Drumming circles in my community here in a remote area on the far south coast of Australia. I love this! I feel so blessed to be living with this ancient, mysterious rhythmic thread, which continues to weave and unravel its magic and beauty in and through me.
— Lynne Bowman
About Krista Holland
Krista Holland, a multifaceted teacher, frame drummer, and independent researcher, is the founder of the Sacred Drumming Academy, where she shares her in-depth training and studies of the frame drum. Krista has devoted more than 25 years to research and practice of the frame drum and its incredible cross-cultural history — and has 15 years of experience teaching the frame drum to others and leading sacred drumming circles and ceremonies.
Krista learned the art of frame drumming along with ritual, myth, and ancient feminine drum history while apprenticing under the tutelage of Layne Redmond, author of When the Drummers Were Women, for 14 years until Layne’s passing. Krista also counts Babatunde Olatunji, Yshai Afterman, and Walter Garces among her most influential drumming teachers.
Krista has focused most of her frame drumming on its healing aspects and benefits rather than on the performative. Over the course of her career, she has drummed privately for cancer patients in hospice, for pregnant mothers at their blessing ways, for grieving parents, for modern temple dancers, for trance journeys, for children at bedtime, for elderhood rites of passage, and a variety of other life ceremonies and rituals.
Krista is known for her unique style of playing and her powerfully transformative teaching of the frame drumming as well as the mythology and widespread history connected to the ancient art of global frame drumming.
Krista teaches frame drumming through online and in-person private classes, group workshops, immersions, and international retreats.
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